Interview

Dr. Joseph Downing: “We Are Already At War With Russia In Terms Of Hybrid War”

I don’t think that the rise of the right will lead to the break up of the EU.
The rise of the right will make EU’s job harder in passing new legislation and also in providing support to Ukraine.
There is a sense of existential dread hanging over Germany.

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To evaluate the AfD’s latest election victory and its possible implications for Europe, the Ankara Center for Crisis and Political Studies (ANKASAM) presents below the interview with Dr. Joseph Downing, Senior Lecturer in International Relations and Politics at Aston University, Birmingham, UK. 

1. How would you interpret the fact that the AfD secured 43.8 percent of the vote in the state election in Saxony-Anhalt, outpacing its closest rival, the CDU, by 26 percentage points? In your opinion, what has changed—and what is changing—in German politics and society in recent years?

Germany is going through a difficult transition, primarily in terms of the de-industrialisation of the German economy in light of 1) the war in Ukraine and the end of cheap Russian gass imports and 2) because of Chinese competation and US tariffs effecting the car industries exports. Thus, there is a sense of existential dread hanging over Germany. Additionally, Germans, like all other Europeans, are being flooded with social media posts about the negative aspects of migration and the replacement of white populations with immigrant populations. Since Trump’s election in the USA social media companies have massive watered down content moderation, just as China and Russia are upping their hybridware approach to social media to aid in the dissemination of such narratives to sow instability in politics and broader society across Europe.

2. What could be the effects of the rising far-right in Germany on the European Union? What are your future predictions on this issue?

I don’t think that the rise of the right will lead to the break up of the EU, but it will make EU’s job harder in passing new legislation and also in providing support to Ukraine.

3. What would you like to say about the drones allegedly belonging to Russia in the Baltic countries and most recently in Germany? Do you think Europe might be getting drawn into a war with Russia? On this issue, Russian FM Sergei Lavrov said that ‘Germany wants war again’. What would you like to say about these developments?

War is not the same as it used to be – we imagine war as standing armies facing off against each other on a battlefield. We are already at war with Russia in terms of hybrid war – cyber attacks, drones, etc. I highly doubt it will escalate to full open military conflict – however, Putin is extremely unpredictable so one should never count it out entirely.

Dr. Joseph Downing
Joseph Downing is a senior lecturer in international relations and politics in the politics, history and international relations department at Aston University where he teaches courses on researching politics, security and technology in politics and is the author of "French Muslim in Perspective: Nationalism, Post-colonialism and Marginalisation Under the Republic" (Palgrave, 2019). He has published widely on politics and security in France, concentrating on minority communities. He has also been widely consulted by broadcast and print media. Joseph Downing received his PhD from the European Institute, London School of Economics in 2014. His thesis “Between Policy, Recognition and Rioting: Analyzing the role of urban governance, historical commemoration and public culture in defining inclusion in Marseille, Paris and Lyon” involved significant fieldwork in France. He was awarded the AHRC block grant “European Languages and Culture” full scholarship for the 2009-2012 period and taught as a fellow at LSE until 2016.
Dr. Cenk TAMER
Dr. Cenk TAMER
Dr. Cenk Tamer graduated from Sakarya University, Department of International Relations in 2014. In the same year, he started his master's degree at Gazi University, Department of Middle Eastern and African Studies. In 2016, Tamer completed his master's degree with his thesis titled "Iran's Iraq Policy after 1990", started working as a Research Assistant at ANKASAM in 2017 and was accepted to Gazi University International Relations PhD Program in the same year. Tamer, whose areas of specialization are Iran, Sects, Sufism, Mahdism, Identity Politics and Asia-Pacific and who speaks English fluently, completed his PhD education at Gazi University in 2022 with his thesis titled "Identity Construction Process and Mahdism in the Islamic Republic of Iran within the Framework of Social Constructionism Theory and Securitization Approach". He is currently working as an Asia-Pacific Specialist at ANKASAM.

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